Talk:Feroze Gandhi/Archive 1

Archive 1

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This article is largely bogus when it comes to the religion and Indira's marriage thing, and also relations of Feroze to Nehru.

I have a proper source with details, so I will proceed to change the text.

I want to know father name of jehangir faredoon gandhi. Did Mohandas mohandas karamchand gandhi adopt Feroze Gandhi ?

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from http://www.vepachedu.org/Nehrudynasty.html

Nehru-Khan-Gandhi Dynasty: Jawaharlal Nehru was the first prime minister of modern India, and he ruled the country from 1947 to 1964. He was born on 14th November 1889, to Motilal and Swarup Rani Nehru. The family belonged to a Kashmiri Brahmin tribe called ‘Pandit.’ Indira Gandhi, daughter of Jawaharlal Nehru, became prime minister of India in 1966. Mrs. Gandhi was born on November 19, 1917 to Jawaharlal and Kamala Nehru. She was named Indira Priyadarshini Nehru. She fell in love and decided to marry Feroze Khan, a family friend. Feroze Khan’s father, Nawab Khan, was a Muslim, and mother was a Persian Muslim. Jawaharlal Nehru did not approve of the inter-caste marriage for political reasons (see http://www.asiasource.org/ society/indiragandhi.cfm). If Indira Nehru were to marry a Muslim she would loose the possibility of becoming the heir to the future Nehru dynasty. At this juncture, according to one story, Mahatma Gandhi intervened and adopted Feroze Khan, gave him his last name (family name/caste name) and got the name of Feroz Khan changed to Feroz Gandhi by an affidavit in England. Thus, Feroze Khan became Feroze Gandhi. Though Mahatma belonged to Bania/Gandhi caste (a business tribe) the proposal was acceptable to Nehru for political reasons. Indira Nehru married Feroze (Khan) Gandhi in 1942 and became Indira Gandhi, which helped her politically as daughter of Nehru (the first Prime Minister of the Indian Union) and daughter–in-law of Gandhi (the father of the nation) securing her place in the future Nehru-Gandhi dynasty (based on swordoftruth.com). Another story, according to Mr. Arvind Lavakare in a personal communication to me, is that Feroz had a Parsi father whose surname was "GHANDI" not "GANDHI". That was made clear by an advertisement in a major English newspaper of Allahabad. It was Mahatma Gandhi who suggested to Nehru that Feroze's surname be spelt as "GANDHI" instead of the original "GHANDI". An RSS columnist wrote that "Ghandi's" mother was a Muslim, and since an offspring takes on the religion of its mother, Feroz ought to be considered a Muslim.

Indira Gandhi ruled the country from 1966 to 1984, except for a short period from 1977 to 1980.

Rajiv (Khan) Gandhi was born to Indira (Khan) Gandhi and Feroze (Khan) Gandhi. He converted to Christianity to marry Catholic Italian Sonia Miano (according to swordoftruth.com). He became prime minister in 1984 after Indira was assassinated by her own bodyguards. He ruled the country for 5 years from 1984 to 1989. The Nehru- (Khan)-Gandhi dynasty ended as Sonia, declined to accept the power, after Rajiv was assassinated in 1991. (The non-charismatic non-leaders of Congress (I) party handed over the reins of the party to reluctant Sonia, who now leads the Congress party and soon will lead the Indian Union).

The Nehru-Khan-Gandhi dynasty and the veneration and worship of Catholic Italian Sonia Miano (Khan) Gandhi by the Congress party as well as Indian (both Hindus and Muslims) masses throughout India can be considered as great examples of Indian secularism.

The Nehru-Khan-Gandhi dynasty, revived by Sonia Gandhi, swept back to power with vengeance in and was drawn into it herself only when the party was in dire need of leadership. A new generation of Gandhis arrives to save ailing party from disaster at the polls. Sonia Gandhi (55) inducted her son Rahul (34) and daghter Priyanka (33) into politics and they actively participated and won in the recent elections. A calcified, out-of-touch, visionless and nepotistic dynasty is poised once again to lead and the dynasty rule continues in the world's largest democracy, albeit with fresh and young Indo-Italian genes having Brahmin-Christian-Muslim-Parsi blood with charming faces and charisma which no other Indian can claim. Sonia Gandhi's rise from a small-town in postwar Italy to modern India is a story of love, death and dynasty, culminating in the most sensational victory of an Italian middle class woman ever to become the kingmaker in the Indian Union of a billion people. She will run the country from behind scenes as she installs Manmohan Singh as the Prime Minister of the Indian Union, to avert a brewing foreigner-crisis and save the country. (unsigned)

How hard can this be to sort out? Do we have an authoritative source for Feroze's father's name? That would be a good start. DJ Clayworth 17:12, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

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The http://www.vepachedu.org/ article is not credible.

1. The "Mahatma adopting Feroze" story is highly unlikely (Mahatma preached abstinence, and Feroze was anything but that :).
2. That he was still Feroze Khan when Indira met him contradicts Katherine Frank's Indira.
3. The passage Another story, according to Mr. Arvind Lavakare in a personal communication to me, is that Feroz had a Parsi father whose surname was "GHANDI" not "GANDHI". That was made clear by an advertisement in a major English newspaper of Allahabad." sounds plausible. That it was Mahatma Gandhi who suggested to Nehru that Feroze's surname be spelt as "GANDHI" instead of the original "GHANDI" does not. Its possible that Feroze changed his name from Ghandi to Gandhi, but its doubtful that this was suggested by M. - I doubt M cared about the person-cult thing, and anyhow there was no Nehru-Gandhi cult at the time of M'd death, barely 5 months after independance.
4. The possibility that Feroze's (or {F|Ph}{i|e}ro{z|j}[e]) father's name was Khan does not preclude him from having been a Parsi. In "Parsi Lustre on Indian Soil" (1939) there are references to the trading houses of "Burjorjee Khan & Co" and "Dinshaw Khan & Co.". The Khan Clock Tower in Colombo (Sri Lanka) was built by a Bhickajee Framjee Khan, who also owned the Colombo Oil Mills. In the same volumes, there are also references to three "Ghandy"s (no Ghandis though), including one doctor of medicine in Allahabad.
5. That Feroze's father's first name was (supposedly) "Nawab" is almost certainly untrue - "nawab" is a title or honorific, not a first name. Some other sites mention Firoze's father having had a liquor shop. Can't say whether that assertion is true or not, but I don't think dealing with alchohol is a typical Muslim profession. :)
6. If Feroze had really changed his name from Khan to Ghandi for political reasons (and no other), it would have crippled him politically, or minimally left him susceptible to attack by his political rivals.

other signs of the article's dubious quality:

1. The article quotes "swordoftruth.com" as a source which doesn't resolve [1].
2. The assertion that "an offspring takes on the religion of its mother, Feroz ought to be considered a Muslim" is (IMO) flakey. IIRC, Muslims take the religion of their fathers.
3. Use of "inter-caste" to refer to iter-denomination marriage seems, uh, a bias push.
4. I've never heard the term "Nehru-Khan-Gandhi dynasty", and I lived in India for 18 years.

Without any verifyable source to the contrary, I think I'll accept Katherine Frank's assertion that Feroze last name was Gandhi, and that he was a Parsi (particularly since one can't "become" a Parsi). -- Fullstop 16:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Above, it has been written that various members of the Nehru-Khan-Gandhi Dynasty "RULED" India for various periods.

Prime Ministers are supposed to serve The Nation. They do not become Rulers on their being elected. When will people of India realise this?

It is a very well known fact that Firoze Gandhi was a Muslim and then converted his surname to Gandhi after being so advised. It was never the case that he was born a non-Muslim.

But it really is amazing to see how many religion conversion this so called 'Gandhi' family has gone through.

Unsourced information removed.

I have removed the following information because it was unsourced and has been taged as such since february 2007:

The marriage of Feroze and Indira was tumultuous, as Indira began living with her father, who was alone, and cared for him personally and often acted as his private secretary. When he became an MP, Feroze started living in his own house in Delhi, away from his father-in-law and wife. This unwilling separation embittered Feroze, and it is speculated that he was having extra-marital affairs as a way of getting back at Indira.

Thank you for your cooperation in keeping wikipedia one of the best sources of open information. --CyclePat 22:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

In India you just cannot sue anybody. The court needs to accept the case, for which the judge asks for valid grounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.231.60.228 (talk) 17:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Not a Gandhi

Feroze Gandhi is definitely not related to Gandhi. It is Nehru's long term vision to establish his family ( which he succeeded very well ) that he forced Feroze to change his surname to Gandhi.

Also not true, Feroze was Parsi and his original surname may have been spelt various as Gandhy, Ghandi etc. Nobody could "force" Feroze, he was an independent thinker. http://www.hinduonnet.com/mag/2002/10/20/stories/2002102000110500.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manukarnika (talk • contribs) 15:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Sources for Parsi origin of Feroze Gandhi

Hi, The Hindu, a respected National Newspaper from India, features an article on Feroze Gandhi by Satya Prakash Malaviya, dated October 2002 -

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mag/2002/10/20/stories/2002102000110500.htm

Mr. Malaviya, is a former Union Cabinet Minister of India, as can be noted from the official Indian Legislative Bodies website : http://legislativebodiesinindia.nic.in/LS/ataglace.htm

Also, Mr. Malaviya was a member of a Cabinet headed by V P Singh, and belonged to a party that had no allegiance at that time (1990-91) to the Gandhi family or the Congress Party.

Mr. Malaviya unambiguously refers to Mr. Gandhi as Parsi.

The Encyclopedia of Asian History's article on Indira Gandhi refers to Mahatma Gandhi's writing in his magazine Harijan referring to Feroze Gandhi's Parsi parentage. - http://www.asiasource.org/society/indiragandhi.cfm

The MSN Encarta's entry for Indira Gandhi is contributed by Leonard Gordon, Professor of History, Brooklyn College, City University of New York. - http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761562528/Indira_Gandhi.html. The article refers to Feroze's Parsi background.

The National Resource Centre for Women, part of the Ministry of Human Resource Development, the Government of India, provides a biography of Indira Gandhi, which refers to Feroze's family as Parsi. - http://nrcw.nic.in/shared/sublinkimages/149.htm

From Indian express http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/news/ie/daily/19980210/04150074.html "Rustom Gandhi -- Feroze's eldest brother Fardiun's son -- is the only member of Feroze's family still living in Allahabad. He is philosophical about his uncle's neglected grave, pointing out that the Parsi Anjuman society in Allahabad tries it's best to maintain the cemetery, which he feels is in better condition than graveyards in many small towns"

Parsi, of course, is NOT Muslim.

The site referred to in the Wikipedia article as the source for the alleged Muslim parentage of Feroze, www.vepachedu.org, is bewildering in it's content. It claims to be the website of an educational foundation, but carries highly opinionated articles on, amongst others, the President of India (http://www.vepachedu.org/kalam1.html). It has vituperative, unsubstantiated material about the Nehru-Gandhi family. It also has no verifiable source for it's assertion.

IMHO, the last paragraph in the Wikipedia article will have to be removed.

Sdsouza 15:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I just read the other day that Feroze Gandhi's niece, something Dastur, sued the writer of the article proclaiming Feroze Gandhi to be Feroze Khan, for writing libel about him. Therefore, the Khan phenomena is not credible at all and cannot be used as a source. Afghan Historian 18:15, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

In fact, her name is Ratoo Dara Dastur. And I found the link. Its from the Indian Express: http://indianexpress.com/story/14895.html So much for "Feroze Khan" Afghan Historian 18:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC) I don't claim to know if the "Feroze Khan" thing is real but just becuase she is suing someone does not prove her to be correct. Unless she wins the case it means nothing. Anyone can sue for anything. Proving your point and winning is different. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171me (talk • contribs) 21:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

A birth certificate has been produced proving his ethnicity as Parsi. How does that sound for proof? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.255.202.121 (talk) 01:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The term Parsi may be synonymous as both the ethnicity and religion within India (in fact in Hindi I know it is: पार्सी, पार्सी धर्म - if I'm not too rusty, right?), but in the modern British and American academic English, there is no such thing as 'Parsism'. Therefore, when saying he converted, why not say from which religion? And was his mother an 'Irani Zartushti' (literally a Zoroastrian of Iranian nationality, not to be confused with the common surname), or a Persian Muslim, of presumably Shi'ite persuasion? If Muslim, this itself would make his Zoroastrian associational status contentious, as conservative Parsis uphold a strict consanguineous policy between coreligionists (especially at that time). Listen, all I'm saying is that we could be a little clearer. I do not have biographical information myself, so I would hope those who do to be a little less confusing. Thanks. By the way, where can I find that birth certificate? It's not proof unless you can produce it. Besides, I think the sources above provide substantial proof he was either of at least half-Parsi or of full ("pure") descent. Khirad (talk) 16:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes Feroze Gandhi was indeed a Parsi. No doubt about it. Father Jehangir Faredoon, and mother Ratimai, born in Tehmulji Nariman Hospital.

• Article "No role for forgotten Gandhi in family comeback", The Telegraph February 06, 1998.

"In fact, like his controversial life spread over 48 years, Feroze Gandhi's last journey became a subject of controversy. When he was cremated after his death in September 1960, it evoked sharp reaction among Parsis throughout the country Even when Feroze's ashes were allowed to rest at the Parsi Anjuman cemetery, the 50-odd Parsi families residing in Allahabad cemetery, continued to remain indifferent. The Allahabad Parsi Zoroastrian Anjuman blocked efforts for the construction of a mazaar."

--ISKapoor (talk) 20:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

• As far as i have researched, Feroz's father is Khan(muslim) and mother is Ghandy(parsi). Initially he was Khan, and later changed to "Gandhi" taking from his mother. I have refrained from inserting much in the article for now. Doorvery far (talk) 11:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

In case you aren't aware, Wikipedia strictly forbids original research. Can you find some scholarly references, to back your claim. Religion is a contentious issue so the best option would be for you to prove that Feroz Gandhi had declared himself to be a Muslim. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 11:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I have again removed the redflag claims being added by Doorevery far, since they are not supported by any reliable source and are in fact contradicted by the sources listed above and already in the article. Abecedare (talk) 11:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Feroze, and father Jehangir Faredoon are clearly islamic names, there is no doubt. Having said that, I had just seen the snippet in search in Aparna Rao (2002). Autonomy: Life Cycle, Gender and Status Among Himalayan Pastoralists‎. Houghton Mifflin Co. p. 265. ISBN 1571818332., which says "Indira gandhi was ... her husband feroze khan was ...". There is no need to be calling it disruptive, for edits in a low traffic wiki page. I found it difficult to understand how google book search works, even after being a net savvy user. Doorvery far (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

In future, when making controversial changes to an article, it's wise to read the talk page history. You would have seen that the "Khan" claim has been tried before, and there are no reliable sources to support it. Even a quick read of the source that you provided shows that it was describing one origin of the myth/lie, rather than supporting the falsehood. When you took the further step of edit-warring to keep adding it back in, yes, it crossed the line into "disruptive". Priyanath ^talk 04:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

You are assuming that just because their names are common Muslim names, they are Muslim. That is Original research. Freddie Mercury was really Farokh Bulsara. Now are you going to claim that he is not a Parsi? And anyway whether deliberate or mistaken you have not stated the whole text of the note from " Autonomy: Life Cycle, Gender and Status Among Himalayan Pastoralists‎ ". The section about Inidira Gandhi being being married to "Feroze Khan" is a quote of another person. The next paragraph actually clarifies that it is not correct. Ill take a screenshot and update it soon. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 05:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Here is the screenshot. The image may get deleted soon and I will replace it with quote text. As you can see the first para is a quotation made by someone whom the author quoted and the next para is a clarification note. --Deepak D'Souza (talk) 06:48, 8 December 2009 (UTC) File:Feroze Gandhi clarification note.GIF

The full page can be read here (I had linked it at Talk:India). Note that the Aparna Rao says that "objective veracity [of the story] was nearly nil" even before relating the narrative told by the villager. Abecedare (talk) 07:00, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, the name "Feroze" isn't even a Muslim name. Standard Muslim names are in Arabic. Feroz is a non-Arabic derived Farsi word. The editor seems to be unaware of the differences between Arab and Persian culture. Just because a word is used in Urdu and Muslims in South Asia identify with Urdu does not mean the word itself has any genuine connection to the religion. Look at Feroz, a disambiguation page which lists everyone notable with that name. Islam is dominant over North Africa, the Middle East, Central and South-East Asia yet nobody with the name "Feroz" comes from those regions. Even Khan is not of Islamic but of Turkic/Mongol origin (Shamanist Genghis Khan, Buddhist Kublai Khan, etc.)

Any further attempts to extend this "dispute" should be regarded as trolling and ignored. OR and pushing an ideological agenda cannot trump non-conspiracy (ie. reliable) sources. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 13:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Feroze, and father Jehangir Faredoon are clearly islamic names, there is no doubt: "Feroze", with all spelling its variants, is about as common a Parsi name as you can get. One of the best known Zoroastrian priests in India , not to mention one of the leading scholars of Pahlavi in the world, is a gentleman by the name of Dasturji Dr. Firoze Kotwal. He used to be the head priest of the Wadiaji Atash Beheram in Bombay - and, if you know anything at all about the Parsi community, that should need no further explanation. -- Arvind (talk) 23:06, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Feroze is persian language, the dab page says, similar to Vijay in Hindi. It can either be Islamic or Parsi in Iran. Again, I'm refraining from editing the article before proposing edits here in talk page. Doorvery far (talk) 04:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Provide reliable sources to back up your claims. warrior4321 05:06, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Doorvery far, even if you were to show with reliable sources that some Muslims use the Parsi 'Feroze' as a name, that's irrelevant to this article and probably any Wikipedia article. Reliable sources all say that the subject of this article was Parsi. Period. Priyanath ^talk 18:20, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Doorvery.... If what you are suggesting is true, then maybe the entire family - including feroze's late father, his mother, his aunt, his two brothers, his two sisters and their husbands all changed over from Islam and took up the name 'Gandhi'. Right now some prankster in the RSS is laughing his head off at how seriously people like you are taking their silly yarns. Tigerassault (talk) 14:12, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 70.125.4.48, 12 February 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} I feel this article is poorly and wrongly written. All information is incorrect. Feroze Gandhi was not a Parsi by birth.

Wikipedia needs to add a paragraph with the following title: "Controversy".

The contents of the paragraph are:

"At the very beginning of his book, "The Nehru Dynasty", astrologer K.N.Rao mentions the names of Jawaharlal's father and grandfather. Jawahar Lal's father was believed to be Motilal and Motilal's father was one Gangadhar Nehru. And we all know is that Jawaharlal's only daughter was Indira Priyadarshini Nehru; Kamala Nehru was her mother, who died in Switzerland of tuberculosis. She was totally against Indira's proposed marriage with Feroze.

Why? No one tells us that!

Now, who is this Feroze? We are told by many that he was the son of the family grocer. The grocer supplied wines, etc. to Anand Bhavan (previously known as Ishrat Manzil).

What was the family grocer's name?

One frequently hears that Rajiv Gandhi's grandfather was Pandit Nehru.

But then we all know that everyone has two grandfathers, the paternal and the maternal grandfathers. In fact, the paternal grandfather is deemed to be the more important grandfather in most societies.

Why is it then, no where, we find Rajiv Gandhi's paternal grandfather's name? It appears that the reason is simply this. Rajiv Gandhi's paternal grandfather was a Muslim gentleman from the Junagadh area of Gujarat. This Muslim grocer by the name of Nawab Khan, had married a Parsi woman after converting her to Islam.

This is the source where from the myth of Rajiv being a Parsi was derived. Rajiv's father Feroze, was Feroze Khan before he married Indira, against Kamala Nehru's wishes.

Feroze's mother's family name was Ghandy, often associated with Parsis and this was changed to Gandhi, sometime before his wedding with Indira, by an affidavit.

The fact of the matter is that (and this fact can be found in many writings) Indira was very lonely. Chased out of the Shantiniketan University by Guru Dev Rabindranath himself for misdemeanor, the lonely girl was all by herself, while father Jawahar was busy with his life.

Feroze Khan, the grocer's son was then in England and he was quite sympathetic to Indira and soon enough she changed her religion, became a Muslim woman and married Feroze Khan in a London mosque.

Nehru was not happy; Kamala was dead already or dying. The news of this marriage eventually reached Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (better known as Mahatma Gandhi).

Gandhi urgently called Nehru and practically ordered him to ask the young man to change his name from Khan to Gandhi. It had nothing to do with change of religion, from Islam to Hinduism for instance. It was just a case of a change of name by an affidavit. And so Feroze Khan became Feroze Gandhi.

When they returned to India, a mock 'Vedic marriage' was instituted for public consumption. On this subject,writes M.O. Mathai (a longtime Private Secretary of Nehru) in his renowned (but now suppressed by the GOI! ) 'Reminiscences of the Nehru Age' on page 94, second paragraph: "For some inexplicable reason, Nehru allowed the marriage to be performed according to Vedic rites in 1942. An inter-religious and inter-caste marriage under Vedic rites at that time was not valid in law. To be legal, it had to be a civil marriage."

70.125.4.48 (talk) 22:43, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

This extgraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof. It needs references to reliable sources with page numbers etc. One source may not be enough. I am against adding this until appropriate references are added. - BorisG (talk) 02:35, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.I concur with the above editor--you will need to provide reliable sources that support these claims before we can consider adding them to the article. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Eh... Feroze Gandhi's father was a marine engineer, not some family grocer. And Feroze Gandhi married Indira Nehru in an Arya Samaj marriage - which is specifically meant for inter religious marriages - not a 'vedic' marriage. And if Feroze really changed his name to Gandhi from Khan, then he probably did the same for his entire family... since everyone had the 'Gandhi' surname - and continue to do so even today. Tigerassault (talk) 14:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 October 2012

The above mentioned article about Feroze Gandhi and is family surname is not true . Please have it corrected becasue his family name was not Gandhi . After he was adopted by Mahathma Gandhi he became Feroze Gandhi . I know this since before Wikipedia came into existance . Do not mislead your readrers . Please.... Soma.jaiswal (talk) 20:17, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Not done: Well, what was that name!? Also, please give us a reliable source to support your statement. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 05:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

complete lie, his surname was gandy for over 200 years, his father surname in his LSE(london school of economics) has faridun jehangir gandy, in lok sabha records too its gandy this rumor of his surname being khan is from 2001(refer to the original hoax info site which was sued by CHANDAN PATEL in 2001)

chandan patel is daughter of aloo gandhi(sister of feroze gandhi).106.208.185.66 (talk) 15:35, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Changed name?

Indira Gandhi's article claims Feroze "changed his surname to 'Gandhi' for political reasons". Is that true? I've heard it said that she married him because of the name, but not that he'd previously changed it. Could someone confirm or deny? And perhaps make the relevant modifications to these articles. –Hajor 14:51, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

, I have come across this so often that I think it's considered common-but-unspoken knowledge in India. A google search for "Feroze Gandhi surname" is revealing. Ambarish 20:01, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

check??

On Gandhi (disambiguation), there's a paragraph about Feroze Gandhi's original name being "Khan". I have no idea whether that's true or not, but it shouldn't only be there. If it's true, or at least arguable, it ought to be discussed here; if it's complete crap then it should be removed from there. —Chowbok 18:36, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

It's true that his last name was changed in order for him to marry Indra Gandi. When Nehru opposed Indira's and Feroze Khan's marriage, Mahatma Gandhi intervened and offered their last name. -BiLLa- •^talk• 21:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

This information is not true. Feroze Gandhi was a parsi with Gandhi as last name. Parsis settled in Gujarat. http://kzamembers.wetpaint.com/page/Feroze+Gandhi+was+a+Parsi

The Khan twist is given by the Hindu fanatics like VHP to say that the Gandhi family is Muslim. This has no truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manukarnika (talk • contribs) 15:38, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Feroze's surname was spelled as Ghandhy/Gandhy/Ghandy, indicating his Persian Parsi (Zoroastrian) background, but not "Gandhi". However, for political gains it was changed to a Hindu-sounding surname 'Gandhi'. Many suggest influence of Indira for this spelling change. Here are the references: 1)Alternative Views (1992). A CONVERSATION WITH ARUN GANDHI. Retrieved from: http://archive.org/details/AV_479-A_CONVERSATION_WITH_ARUN_GANDHI 2)Hugh Tinker. (1985). Can the new Indian pilot weather the storm? The Round Table: The Commonwealth Journal of International Affairs. 74(293), 16-20. 3)Meghnad Desai. Gandhi & Gandhi. India International Centre Quarterly, Vol. 34, No. 2 (AUTUMN 2007), pp. 46-61. http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/23006304?uid=3739936&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21100918814821 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tathya The (talk • contribs) 20:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Is anything known about his direct ancestry prior to that his grandfather was a Parsi in Kotpariwad? СЛУЖБА (talk) 22:45, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Sources for Muslim origin of Feroze Gandhi

Feroze gandhi was not by birth gandhi and this is a well known fact that even congressis can't deny. Now the question is who is Feroze Gandhi? During mid of 2008 Rahul visited the mazar of Feroze ghandhi which was also shown by Zee TV few years ago as it was in a dilapidated condition.

Now as everybody knows that Parsis don't bury their dead and make mazar but in fact the feed the dead body to vultures.

http://www.mynews.in/fullstory.aspx?storyid=7166 http://living.oneindia.in/valentines-day/2008/love-stories/indira-manek-gandhi-love-story.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthseeker121 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Feroz Gandhi was Muslim http://www.vepachedu.org/Nehrudynasty.html````

"When he was cremated after his death in September 1960, it evoked sharp reaction among Parsis throughout the country Even when Feroze's ashes were allowed to rest at the Parsi Anjuman cemetery, the 50-odd Parsi families residing in Allahabad cemetery, continued to remain indifferent. The Allahabad Parsi Zoroastrian Anjuman blocked efforts for the construction of a mazaar." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Feroze_Gandhi#Sources_for_Parsi_origin_of_Feroze_Gandhi СЛУЖБА (talk) 05:57, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

REAL SURNAME OF FAMILY

To the above user what about dina jinnah husband whose surname is "WADIA" if i am not wrong Wadia is mainly a gujrati hindu surname derived from "MODH-WADIA" second thing keeping rumors aside seems that real surname of family is "COMMISARIAT" as we know most parsi family adopted some hindu gujarati surname in one or the other form because name of feroze mother was rattimai Hatta which was changed to rattimai commisariat similarly feroze aunt was shirin homi commisariat and she was unmarried and she sponsored feroze education in London. That means their real persian surname is Commisariat and their gujrati surname is gandhi this will also help supress the rumors which i am shocked has been spread by Hindu morons maybe they forgot whom did DINA JINNAH married she married neville wadia a hindu who has converted into christianity.Shail kalp (talk) 14:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

"real persian surname is Commisariat"... Cool guess, blocked guy... СЛУЖБА (talk) 06:55, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Feroze Gandhi was a hindu by birth neither parsi nor muslim

The lie of feroze being a muslim is not very old it started in 2001 when the age of internet in India was on surge, chandan patel lodge a case against the site and won the defamation case. However even bigger proof that Feroze was by birth atleast from father side was a HINDU , his biological father was raj bahadur prasad kakkar and his mother shirin was sister of jehangir gandhi. In short if feroze father was nawab khan than his sister shirin khan was the biological mother of feroze and his real father was raj prasad kakkar

http://books.google.co.in/books?id=3bt5jZv2DHsC&pg=PA557&dq=raj+bahadur+prasad+kakkar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=cWyoUarXO8aJrQfanYGABQ&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=kakkar&f=false

their is no birth certificate with his adopted parents, Shirin khan was in a live in relationship with a Hindu Man Raj Prasad Kakkar who impregnated her , and if other theory is accepted that is his adopted parents were parsi then feroze is half hindu and half parsi.

In any case feroze is hindu from his father side.

Nayantra sehgal and nehru too knew that feroze is not biological son of jehangir gandhi.

http://www.google.co.in/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=shirin+mother+feroze&btnG=

the real mother of feroze is Shirin and it was well known fact that Shirin was in live in relationship with a Hindu Advocate Raj Prasad Kakkar, it proves beyond doubt that Feroze was born hindu and infact Feroze was cremated as per his last wish also shows his Hindu connection.14.139.61.129 (talk) 09:39, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

well the evidence do support this fact that Feroze was definitely not the biological son of Jehangir and Ratimai Gandhi. Jehangir sister Shirin and a famous advocate Raj Bahadur Prasad Kakkar(HINDU MAN OF VAISHYA CASTE) seems to be the biological parents of Feroze. This fact is accepted in highly acclaimed Katherine Frank biograpy of indira gandhi, further the TYPICAL RELATIONSHIP which Feroze shared with Kakkar shows that most probably he knew who was his real father, his last wish of being cremated seems like a hint of his hindu blood(this was not accepted by kakkar as he was a married man)14.99.127.142 (talk) 10:04, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

This article could have been edited to confuse people.

Gandhi came from Pudukkottai — Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.62.7.250 (talk) 08:22, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

First it is true that Feroze Gandhi is totally unconnected to Mahatma Gandhi in any way and the name change story is pretty well accepted in India.

However the article seems to have taken a non NPOV stance about Feroze Gandhi or Indira. Some how seems to look at em as bad guys. Was sent out of Shatiniketan by Rabindranth Tagore himself. Dosen't that seem inflamatory? As regarding conversion of Indira to Islam is there some showable proof or is this just propaganda??

There is a strong possiblity that this might be just to spread a paricular propagandist message as the Congress is right now in power.

On this subject, writes M.O.Mathai (a long time Private Secretary of Nehru) in his renowned (but now suppressed by the GOI) Reminiscences of the Nehru Age on page 94, second paragraph: “For some inexplicable reason, Nehru allowed the marriage to be performed according to Vedic rites in 1942. An inter-religious and inter-caste marriage under Vedic rites at that time was not valid in law. To be legal, it had to be a civil marriage.”

Does some one somewhere have an original of the above mentioned document? How credible is this source? What do those sentences mean in the context of the rest of the book? Why was it suppressed?

Kindly note This really is a blot on Wikipedia's collection. I request someone to fine tune it.atul chief minister of maharshtra ws meet to firoj gandhi

Also, please note that almost all of the so-called 'source information' is from the same website (www.vepachedu.org). The man lies buried in a Parsi cemetary! This is simply propaganda at work, nothing else.

This article gets edited maximum number of times during the Indian election time. That is too much of coincidence to be neglected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afsal (talk • contribs) 11:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

This article is nothing but a propagandist message. Refer biography of Feroze Gandhi http://books.google.co.in/books?id=XP37QveRKL4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afsal (talk • contribs) 13:41, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Homi Jehangir Bhabha, father of Indian nuclear programme has middle name Jehangir. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Parsis to see the variety of names used by Parsis in India.

C. Chakraborty: Bishwabharati Bishwavidyalata (Shanti Niketan, WB) has enough proof that Indira Priyadarshini Nehru and Feroze Mohammed Khan were classmates and that Indira was expelled from Bishwabharati for "bad conduct", probably for involving with Khan, who was also the son of one of her father's employee.

Please help clarify this!

I am greatly confused by the Feroze Khan/Ghandi and possible name change/adoption to hide or avoid being mistaken for Muslim conflicting information. Is this a conspiracy theory type of controversy in India like accusations of President Obama being a Kenyan Muslim? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.215.78.126 (talk) 19:36, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2015

Fix the cite errors. 24.44.196.20 (talk) 23:49, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 01:14, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually done by another editor. The cite errors have been fixed. ‑Ugog Nizdast (talk) 05:23, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

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Reference for title of Feroze Gandhi

Found a reference on the background of Feroze khan. This is the only reference I was able to find on him. As there is no other reference which suggests that he was not muslim by birth so the present reference provided by me can be used at least until no other reference is found which is contrary to this info. I'll wait for some time after that I'll go with it if nobody could show any counter evidence. Feroze Khan history Another referenceAkmal (talk) 7 June 2011 (UTC)

There is no doubt that Feroze Gandhi was a Parsi, although a non-practicing one. Feroze is a common Parsi name from Persian (Farsi). His father was Jehangir and grandfather was Faredoon, also common Parsi names.

He was born in Allahabad and is buried there in Parsi cemetery.

Malaiya (talk) 22:31, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

@Malaiya: please note that this talk page is for discussion of the article's content only. If you are trying to contest/expand/revise anything in the article, please specify what it is. Otherwise, there is no need to continue this discussion. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 08:48, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Kautilya3: I hope you have read the views of Akmal. There is widespread misinformation on the web about Feroze Gandhi. If you will do a web search using "Feroze Gandhi" you will find most of the top sites contain misinformation. I hope you don't agree with those promoting that Feroze khan as the real name for Feroze Gandhi.Malaiya (talk) 23:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

References

Destructive issues

Repeated and limitless vandalism is going on in this page. A fanatic group is continously editing it with wrong info since few days!. Admin is requested to stop them. Pinakpani (talk) 07:52, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

I have made a request for this page to have Indefinite semi-protection. Fingers crossed. Failosopher (talk) 05:23, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

The truth is that the Internet (and whatsapp postings) is now saturated with articles claiming that Feroze Gandhi was actually a Khan, i.e. Muslim. see Many researching the topic get the impression that the claim is valid. the This claim has now even included in some books, newspaper articles, and encyclopedias. The claim was initially made in 1998 by the an A. Ghosh who ran the "Sword of Truth" website. Now many individuals genuinely believe that Feroze Gandhi was actually a Muslim based on what they have seen.

The misinformation about Feroze Gandhi should be addressessed in the article itself. By attempting to ensure that the false view is not addressed at all, helps promote the false information. Malaiya (talk) 18:06, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

If there are any reliable sources that talk about A. Ghosh and his campaigns, we can certainly include it. But I didn't find any. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

References

Did not graduate

Please change graduated from to attended as per the source citation. Feroze Ghandy did not graduate from college. Frank, Katherine (2002). Indira: The life of Indira Nehru Gandhi. Houghton Mifflin Co. p. 94. ISBN 0-395-73097-X. Feroze was a student at Bidya Mandir High School and Ewing Christian College. --2405:204:C204:F045:83B5:6441:BAAD:B049 (talk) 14:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2018

Change Religion to show in the main column. The religion of Feroze Gandhi is not getting displayed when I open, it is present in the backend. 69.249.80.213 (talk) 05:58, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: in June 2017, the |religion= parameter was removed from Infobox officeholder as a result of this discussion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_officeholder/Archive_21#Religion_in_officeholder_infoboxes). Thus, it was not supposed to be shown, and I have accordingly removed it from the infobox. DannyS712 (talk) 06:20, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Father

The source (Bhushan 2008) says Jehangir Faredoon, and not Ghandy. Further, Jehangir Ghandy seems to be another person as he was a businessman and his father was marine engineer. Ghandy also outlived Feroze so timeline also support that. Capankajsmilyo^{(Talk | Infobox assistance)} 00:20, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2019

Change Ghandy to Gandhi.

The surname has been edited to vandalize and disrespect one of the most respectable families! It is not Ghandy (a very disrespectful bad word in Hindi), but Gandhi. Please correct. Historycorrector2019 (talk) 14:57, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: "Ghandy" is sourced. NiciVampireHeart 15:48, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

“Gandhi“ not “Ghandy”

Can someone please correct the spelling of the last name as is globally known to be “Gandhi” and not “Ghandy” or “Ghandi”? It’s historically incorrect and it occurs multiple time in this page. Ritumunday (talk) 04:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Real name of Feroz Gandhi

Feroz Khan renamed with Gandhi Rohan Gaurat 03:25, 17 December 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohangaurat (talk • contribs)

Surname not correctly mentioned

Surname was Khan not Gandhi. This has to correct asap. Please look history before updating such information in Wikipedia. Manishkapoor1973 (talk) 15:59, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, please see the box on the top of the Talk page for this article in relation to your request to change the surname mentioned in the article. Kunal ^(Talk) 11:02, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

He was not born with gandhi surname... He was a Khan Sumit RB (talk) 19:51, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

education?

Mahatma Gandhi was once supposed to have remarked to Feroze's mother, that nobody will care if her son had completed BA or MA and only the number of times he was held in custody by the British. However, someone wanting to know about history would still want to know about it, especially when there is lack of clarity about it.

In one paragraph, it is mentioned that Feroze graduated from Ewing Christian College, with citations. The citations do not appear to state that.
In a later paragraph, it is mentioned he abandoned his studies, without citations.

If he had graduated, what was there to abandon?
If he had abandoned his studies, what did he graduate?

115.97.47.153 (talk) 05:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Feroze Khan not Feroze Khandhy or Gandhi

Feroze Khan (son of Jehangir Faredoon/Yunus Khan) belongs to Parsi religion. Indira Priyadarshini Nehru (daughter of Jawaharlal Nehru) later become Indira Gandhi (3rd Prime Minister of India) fell in love with Feroze Khan (son of Jehangir Faredoon/Yunus Khan). But Jawaharlal Nehru was against Indira’s marriage as he felt the inter-caste marriage would put the family’s reputation at stake and there was also a possibility of Indira would lose the possibility of becoming the heir of the future Nehru dynasty. At the end Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi or Mahatma Gandhi adopted Feroze Khan and give him his surname. This is how Feroze Khan become Feroze Gandhi. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.99.92.29 (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Mahatma Gandhi adopted Feroze Khan?

Nehru was against Indira’s marriage as he felt the inter-caste marriage would put the family’s reputation at stake and there was also a possibility of Indira would lose the possibility of becoming the heir of the future Nehru dynasty. It is said that there was a public outcry against the marriage. This is when Mahatma Gandhi, a close associate of Nehru intervened. He made a public statement that said, “I invite the writers of abusive letters to shed your wrath and bless the forthcoming marriage.” According to reports, Mahatma Gandhi adopted Feroze Khan and gave him his last name and Feroze got his name changed by an affidavit in England. Sid2222 (talk) 08:26, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Please provide proof of this as till date no official document is published to prove this so it will be better if any official document is published on this as people say it is only a rumour without any evidence.

Please provide proof of this as till date no official document is published to prove this so it will be better if any official document is published on this as people say it is only a rumour without any evidence. Nnsakhare (talk) 19:04, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 February 2021

Please change the category Category:People who died in office to Category:Politicians who died in office. 2601:241:300:B610:1CDA:D4D5:97FE:FCE5 (talk) 22:31, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:37, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2021

Member of the Indian Parliament 49.37.42.37 (talk) 10:56, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. -ink&fables «talk» 18:07, 4 September 2021 (UTC)